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Wednesday, October 28, 2009

Narcissists Confuse Respect with Submission

DH and I had an interesting conversation that led to another “A HA!” moment for me.

NM constantly accuses me (and anyone else) who won’t conform to her will as showing her disrespect.

But she is confused. People who disagree with her are not disrespecting her, they are not submitting to her.

When someone doesn’t submit, that means their reality is different than her fragile reality and it is like they are challenging her authority. She perceives them yelling at her “YOU ARE WRONG” and she cannot put it in perspective. It does hurt her, because she takes it personally and internalizes it. She cannot accept other people’s opinions when they are different from her own.

She doesn’t know how to categorize it. So, she thinks “This person is intentionally trying to hurt and embarrass me. They are disrespecting me.”

If you disrespect her, you are punished. She cannot agree to a difference of opinion. If you want to coexist with her, you must submit to her reality. To gain submission, she will punish you for as long as she sees fit. This could be in the form of raging at you until you just agree to quiet her. Or she may ignore you for months. She may bad mouth you to friends and family. She may demand retribution.

Here’s an example. Back when DH and I were first dating, DH would join in on NM’s taunting. At first, he thought it was in good fun --- like when his mom jokes around with him. It didn’t take him very long to see NM’s taunting wasn’t done in a loving way – her aim was to degrade and embarrass me. So he stopped joining in.

Up until that point, NM saw DH as an ally, an equal. She liked him if she perceived she could get him to gain up against me. But the second he started to stand up for me, then he was put into the “must submit” category. So anytime he disagreed with her, he was disrespecting her. She quickly turned to nasty cut downs to attempt to put him in his place. She had to feel superior to him as well.

And that is how she has ruled family and friends. Everything is peaceful and pleasant in her kingdom until you challenge her authority. To be viewed as an equal, you must support her actions and join her alliance. Her subjects who disagree with her are constantly put in a difficult decision:

“Do I hold my ground?”

“Do I appease her?”

“Should I just leave?”

The lucky ones learn to stop playing the game. They put a stake in the ground and say “Either we proceed with true mutual respect or I stop interacting with you.” Narcissist put us in this difficult position. In other healthier relationships, it will never get to this point. It goes without saying.

Healthy relationships are based on the true meaning of respect. In healthy relationships there is give and take. Each party has 50% of the responsibility. We can agree to disagree. We don’t alter our thoughts and opinions to please the other person. We stay ourselves. And the other party wouldn’t want it any other way.

11 comments:

  1. I just had a mini lightbulb moment reading this--yes, the Ex confused respect with submission. When he didn't get his way I was *disrespecting* him, in his mind. So of course, he retaliated. Aha!
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  2. Great post--

    You're right--it's 50/50 in relationships. We have to give and take. And above all, there should never be 'punishment' or abandonment of love when one party disagrees. Respect in a relationship is sitting down to talk something through, to both take responsibility for each person's role. Above all, showing there is about the relationship.
    A totally lost concept on the N.
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  3. edit: Above all, showing there is caring and concern about the relationship.
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  4. OH MY GOODNESS--YES!!!

    TOTALLY!

    *(yes, that's to be read in "scream" ALLCAPS!)

    You are SO right--they DO confuse respect with submission!!!

    Thank you!
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  5. Another thought-
    The 'taunting', the insult masked in humor...
    truly a staple for my Nm and GC to do.
    It would happen in front of friends, boyfriends,
    coworkers...
    In the past I too would watch my friend/boyfriend/coworker
    chime in unknowingly seeing that this is not
    'just joking around' and 'me being too sensitive', but that this was not right and abusive.
    It got to the point in the past 10 yrs that I wouldn't bring anyone I dated around because it was too risky.
    She would also pull the humliation card--one time calling the guy I was dating by my ex's name just as she met him, another time passing gas in front of a guy and I just before
    we were headed out on a date!(?!!) No apology or excuse me, just left us standing there with me feeling like I could die and knowing this guy was likely grossed out.
    Nm's have zero pride!! They will go to any extreme
    to do their job!

    standing there I know it's
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  6. @FacingForward
    "one time calling the guy I was dating by my ex's name just as she met him, "
    UGH! My NM did this too. Or she would bring up stuff about the Ex in front of my new bf. She may have despised the Ex while I was with him, but when there was a new BF NM would bring him up all the time to intimidate the new BF! I hated that. BP-Sis often joined in.

    She also had a knack of calling people I knew by the wrong name. Drove me crazy. Last Thanksgiving she kept calling my mother in law by a different name and I had to keep reminding her that was not her name. Mind you, MIL was sitting right next to NM!!! It was sooooooooo embarassing!
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  7. That's wild that they both did that...
    And the messing up names--
    My Nm does that CONSTANTLY!!!
    And when corrected she'll throw out a 'whatever' and laugh her obnoxious chuckle as if she was 'just joking' or 'isn't it cute how clueless I am?' approach.

    I swear to this day she doesn't know the names of some of my closest friends!! We are talking YEARS of hearing these names, meeting them, having them over and she plays this game... it's so bizarre!
    She recently sent a letter (her THIRD letter) to my in-laws and wrote 'Dear Mrs. (my spouses' last name'. They are the same age essentially and she referred to her as 'Mrs.' We found that so odd.
    I digress, but funny story--she wrote this letter instructing my Mother-in-law to 'call her please' and left a phone number.
    Thankfully my MIL is not engaging with her and is actually really put off by the nonsense.
    Nonetheless I cautioned her--do not call her--you will regret her having your number... imagine the calls...
    This had been her third letter to my in-laws in her desperate plea to gain some allies and also save her image.
    The letter prior to that was even funnier--
    one, inviting them to have dinner when my parents came to town--the best part: my husband and I had no idea my parents were coming to town! His parents were less than impressed at my Nm's lack of respect for us.
    two, she told them in the letter how 'important family is to us'.
    What a joke!! Don't you love how they play this 'family is the most impt' card when they treated their own kids with anything BUT true priority and love?!!
    But it's all about them. Their image, their ego. So sad.
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  8. Thank you so much, you are helping so many people to come to the truth out of the haze.
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  9. YES! YES! YES!

    Thank you so much for putting into words. My own NM also confuses respect with submission. If I am not conforming to her will, I'm "disrespectful"....she's always harping about "RESPECT" when all she really wants is....

    C-O-N-T-R-O-L

    Thanks again for summarizing so simply. I will not feel guilt about this again!
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  10. Thank you for writing this post. It's what I needed to read at this time, it really clarified some issues for me.
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  11. What a great post, OAD! I've been trying to sort out what 'respect' means to normal people and why narcissists think making other people fear them is the same thing as 'respect'.

    We can 'obey' narcissists. We can submit to their authority and power over us. Maybe to them, that is the only form of respect they understand? Or maybe, they prefer being 'feared'? It does reinforce their superiority, doesn't it?

    Anyway, I'm still trying to sort this one out, so thank you very much for writing this post!


    Hugs,
    CZBZ
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